apologies if this is a redundant post, sometimes it's hard to catch a similar thread when browsing past lists.
I'm curious to hear what made you all decide to Kill Your TV, when you did it, and how. and how you spend your time now that you don't have a TV.
me: I've always had a TV (but rarely cable) until recently. when I moved cross-country, I left the TV and didn't buy a new one. I wanted to push myself to get out and meet people, rather than cop out and veg with the TV. I haven't gone entirely cold turkey coz I can still watch movies on my computer, but sometimes I just need to sit and rest and chill. I'm too tired at the end of a work day or after unpacking to concentrate on a book, so a movie is a nice break.
but I don't find I miss it. I find that I allow myself to actually rest now that I don't have a TV...I don't have the unnecessary visual stimulation of watching something. and I'll send letters to friends or sort through pictures when I want to veg.
I'm curious to hear what made you all decide to Kill Your TV, when you did it, and how. and how you spend your time now that you don't have a TV.
me: I've always had a TV (but rarely cable) until recently. when I moved cross-country, I left the TV and didn't buy a new one. I wanted to push myself to get out and meet people, rather than cop out and veg with the TV. I haven't gone entirely cold turkey coz I can still watch movies on my computer, but sometimes I just need to sit and rest and chill. I'm too tired at the end of a work day or after unpacking to concentrate on a book, so a movie is a nice break.
but I don't find I miss it. I find that I allow myself to actually rest now that I don't have a TV...I don't have the unnecessary visual stimulation of watching something. and I'll send letters to friends or sort through pictures when I want to veg.
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 12:19 PMI "lost" my connection when I moved to SF and decided not to hook up my huge TV. It turns out that when you are exploring your life you don't need TV. If you are wasting your life TV comes in handy. That was back in 1998 that I stopped watching. Once you've been away from it for awhile, you notice how inane it is most of the time. It also helps to have some sense of what is intellectually valuable and what is just clap-trap, reheated, no nothing junk.
Recently, my folks were gone from their place to Ashland or someplace and I house sat. I didn't watch a single second of TV. Why? Because I was on tribe! Hmm... -
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 12:44 PM>> I didn't watch a single second of TV. Why? Because I was on tribe! Hmm...<<
yes, I often wonder if I've traded one vice for another. :) but I feel like things like tribe add value...at it's best, it offers interesting connections, information, resources. and at it's worst, it's still better mindless entertainment than tv. -
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 1:20 PMtribe, just like TV, is a human tool. It can add value if used appropriately. Or, like breaking things with a hammer for the heck of it, it can create a royal mess for folks not involved in all the "fun".
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 1:12 PMI got rid of my connection shortly after 9/11 and the advent of reality TV. Suddenly nothing I saw on network TV matched my definition of entertainment or news, and that combined with ever rising cable bills was just obscene to me. I was actually PAYING for this drivel. I was contributing to the mass dumbing down of our country.
I had to get out. I invested the extra money in a better internet connection, so at least now my vice is interactive and unregulated. And I read a LOT more, and spend more time "playing" than I used to.
I only miss it occassionally, like when Jon Stewart hosted the elections... or the superbowl... or the opening ceremony for the Olympics... but if it's important enough, I can always watch at a friend's house. -
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 8:37 PMWhen I was in college, I was so broke until I couldn't even afford a tv. Well, maybe I could afford it but it wasn't on the top of the list of must-haves.
...anyway, I got away from it and now 20 years later, I still haven't returned. Every now and then, I'll watch a movie on TV but for the most part they remain off. Sometimes, I turn them on to see if they still work. ;-o
I spend quite a bit of time reading, researching and enjoying tribe.
My rule of thumb is if it expands my mind, it's interests me; if it doesn't, I can easily let it go ergo the television has little place in my life.
I would say that I watch televised news but that's not even true anymore, since I find myself on the 'Net, I largely read my news. It's is always interesting to read the news and then check tribe for discussion with like minded or opposite minded folks.
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 9:28 PMumm.
i stopped when i was 14, 'cause everyone else was doing it and that seemed fucked up.
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Sat, November 6, 2004 - 9:02 PMI timed how long commercial breaks were and counted how many breaks there were during a typical given hour of teevee. It disgusted me and I began to believe TV commercial breaks were much more insidious than before. I noted that late night TV (which was when I used it most) was much worse in this regard. I got tired of waiting for what I wanted to watch, once the appointed hour had arrived.
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The principle of using the on/off switch on the TV seemed simple enough; gradually this began to apply to anything that had a power switch, be it the computer, the AM/FM table radio, the CD/cassette player .. anything like that.
The principle of maintaining the battery pack of portable things seemed relevant as well; how many gadgets lure me into maintaining their battery packs simply to keep the database stored in them intact? Mostly radios and PDA's; radios have presets and PDA's have detailed databases. It starts to emerge that these are not designed for our easy use of them; they are designed instead for .. ease of design and manufacture and shipping (same is true of knock-down furniture).
It is another classic example of the 'follow the money' idea .. figure out who made this thing, and why -- and how it got to be in my keep. And what interests it was funding. And what interests it was damaging.
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Computers and radios are favorite vices; the battle begins anew with sorting out the same questions in the context of computer hardware and software upgrades; adoption of new deployments of databases such as Tribe or Google, and new technologies used to access them. Again, ask where the information is coming from; who it is targeting, and why. Is this device used to create information, or to consume it? What kind of information? Who are the creators if it isn't me? Why do I want to hear from them; see what they've done, or think about what they're telling me and showing me?
Is my habit serving me well? Has it gotten stale? Am I looking for a repeat experience, or something new? Is it a ritual, or is it something more spontaneous and growth-oriented? Does it create, preserve or destroy what I'm after?
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Seems to me Google did not meet my expectation. Why didn't I abandon its use? I keep going back to the trough, expecting to be fed something good, this time. But I keep getting the same old, or worse, feed. How can I generalize and take away from this, the real rules behind its use and promulgation? Doesn't that extend as well towards all the visually-oriented parts of the modern computer experience as well? What exceptions are there? Am I maximizing towards the exceptions, and filtering out the rules?
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Lately I've been checking on Mt St Helens every day; initially I went to the verbal updates, then the webcam, and finally, the seismology. Now I check the seismology first; it's the most telling. Then I read the reports. Finally, I
check the webcam, if I still have time. I've developed a similar strategy for checking the weather (see www.river.org/~chris/wx ).
I've been avoiding Go lately, which is a game played with stones on a board. It is very challenging and requires constant study and thought, to improve. I've avoided working on a dozen projects that all require study and thought and are challenging. Instead, I'll login here, or in silc (like IRC) or someplace else where I would type things into the computers out on the Internet. I very often will look up something on Google, that someone has mentioned in a f2f conversation, to gain more information about it (often trivial; sometimes not -- I have enough projects I've worked on now, that I can sometimes look them again for the information, instead of going online to seek it).
SOMETIMES it makes me sad to look old projects (often rendered in HTML; not many in PDF; many in plain ASCII text and a few rendered in electronics hardware or in crafts materials, stuph from the local hardware store etc.) and think about all the time in between when I vegged and just consumed or just typed without research or a real direction to it. Other times I'm happy to revisit these projects. One thing I've noticed is that in some areas, instead of developing one thing well, I've developed many things not so well. I remember thinking when I got my first fish tank that if I was going to do this, I needed to give something else up -- some other habit or activity that would compete for my time or ability to buy or maintain the equipment or resources it would take to do it the way I wanted to do it.
Lately I've noticed I've completed many half-started things or at least fleshed them out a bit more fully; I now have three bicycles (not one) and two complete fish tanks (where I thought one was almost too much). Some things are hard to reset, put away or give away (never mind sell) and time passes and I'm stuck with them, where I only wanted a day or an hour or a month with them, and then: begone.
LIKE AHAB, I fight against a computer and a netlag that conspire to keep me from finishing this post, and it has only gotten longer in the bargain. The computer .. it tasks me! Earlier in the day a similar *long post* escaped .. Tribe swallowed it up. Shipmates, Tribe swallowed the post, like the whale swallowed Jonah, and did not expel it upon the dry land.
(talk about 'somebody stop me')
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Tue, November 9, 2004 - 2:54 PMI decided to quite in mid 90-ies. It was in Serbia during Milosevic regime. I was horrified to see how effective even the most vulgar and obvious propaganda can be when emitted through TV.
I can't even imagine what TV can do with more money and more professionalism.
TV just kept me from doing other things. I still spend a lot of time in front of the computer. I think it's less dangerous because Internet is more interactive and requires more conscious action from the viewer.
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Tue, November 9, 2004 - 3:11 PM
I still have a TV - I use a dowel to jam into the hole where the buttons used to be to change channels & volume, it has bunny ears that mostly don't work. I'll still watch grainy Simpsons every now & again.
I didn't consciously decide to erase TV from my life, but as I got busier & more interested in hobbies etc. and as my old hand-me-down TV started to slowly decompose, I simply broke the TV habit.
I read a lot, sew erratically, listen to music constantly, I'm online a lot, and if I'm bored I'll go outside, pick up the phone, or visit a friend. -
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Tue, November 9, 2004 - 6:25 PMWe made the conscious decision to kill our connection back in January of this year, shortly after reading Elaine St. James, Naomi Klein, and Joel Bakan.
We still have it sitting in a corner of our living room, tucked away, and we bring it out every now and then to watch a DVD or a tape from our library (it helps to live only two blocks away from VPL). Honestly, I don't miss it at all. I find I spend more time with family and friends, doing a lot more activities. I've started playing hockey, learning Sumi-e (Japanese line painting), and writing music again. Cin's taking dance classes, teaching herself photography, and we generally spend far more time interacting with each other. It's almost alien now to go over to someone's place and sit there in complete silence watching this glowing box.
One thing we did do was make a list of things that we really wanted to experience with regards to living in Vancouver. We don't plan on being here forever, and we both want to really suck the marrow out of the bones of this city before we leave, so we've taken to going out and just doing all sorts of things that are either free, or cost very little (e.g. taking in the Vancouver Art Gallery on Thursdays when it's admission by donation). If you're at a loss of how to fill your time, it's always a great opportunity to start exploring the world around you.
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Fri, November 19, 2004 - 12:56 AMI threw a sledgehammer down a flight of stairs at my last TV, in 1995. (I was nervous to batter the TV with the sledge, I didn't want to get hurt.)
How do I spend my time?? Not being anywhere near as programmed and emotionally manipulated. Creating music, art, experiencing nature, basically living. Looking at the big picture more instead of the small one. -
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Fri, November 19, 2004 - 8:31 AMThe first time I got rid of TV, was just after 9/11. I got so disgusted with the coverage and propaganda I acctually sold my tv to a neighbor. the second time was after an abusive relationship where the abuser in question watched TV obsessively. I initially got cable when I moved out, but then realized I was paying insane fees for something I wasn't even watching...so I got rid of it (which was really funny because the woman at the cable company even asked me "are you sure?") I haven't had it for months now, and I feel like I did the last time: very clear. I don't sit and star at tv for hours instead of writing or anything like that.
What I do instead is the internet. I write a lot, read a lot. I'll watch dvd's on occasion, but that's because I love movies. I pay attention to my cats. I go and write in cafes and meet people. and I listen to a lot of NPR...:) -
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Mon, November 22, 2004 - 5:54 PMi havent wached much tv in my life. growing up i probably watched an hour or two per week at friends' houses but that was it. its strange, i can barely even sit through a movie unless it's absolutely captivating (i probably end up watching about 1/2 a dozen movies per year), but if there is a tv on in the room im in then i can barely hold a conversation... it just sort of sucks me in. even when it is off i find myself staring at the blank screen. *shudder* its like i have no defences against the demon in the machine trying to suck away my soul... ;l
the lack of ability to sit through movies is interesting though because i can (and regularly do) sit in front of my stereo for extended amounts of time and listen to entire albums from end to end...
my exposure to pop culture is absolutely minimal and every time i see what programming is like now i cringe in horror and realize the extent to which i live in a bubble.
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Mon, March 14, 2005 - 9:51 AM"I threw a sledgehammer down a flight of stairs at my last TV, in 1995."
this is really fun, actually. a number of years back i gave a friend a sledgehammer and a 2nd hand tv for his birthday. i dragged it into the alley behind our apartment and he was so excited to smash the thing to bits. it took a lot more swings than he had expected, but the noise the tube made when popped is worth all the effort.
there's not really that much danger. wear rubber gloves to avoid any risk of electrocution. (we left the tv on during the smashing, showing the news, for full effect.) it's a hell of a lot of fun. for all the yelling from the neighbours to quit with all the noise, you'll have a lot of cheers and hoorays as well. people love to see stuff like this. go nuts. do it in front of your local tv station's head office. do it while there's a news station filming. do it on a busy corner at rush hour, or at the entrance to a subway station. get creative. you will not be disappointed. word to the willing: get a good sledgehammer, tho. you don't want the head flying off into traffic...it can happen.
i killed my own television and cable connection a few years later. it was after a cnn broadcast about a church in san francisco that hadn't gotten enough donations that year to feed the homeless with its annual thanksgiving turkey feast. it made me so sad, and then after a while i realized i'd been duped. cnn sux ass-crack.
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Mon, November 22, 2004 - 9:21 PMI was a TV addict as a child. I watched ALL the shows: Hart to Hart, Knight Rider, Bewitched, MASH, McGyver, StarTrek, Brady Bunch Partrige Family, The Monkeys, Zoom, Villa Allegre, ... you name it, I watched it.
Now, I have killed my TV. My kids don't complain to me. And when they go to their dad's they'd still rather play than watch the tube. I know they miss it at times, so we watch movies together occassionally. Still, I don't regret it.
My only backsliding is in the form of West Wing, which my ex records for me.
Definietly I feel like I have a better quality of life without it. I'd much rather play Cadoo with my kids than watch TV with them.
rj
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Tue, November 23, 2004 - 11:06 PMcold turkey.
Cold turkey. it is so easy.
this is an easy drug to beat.
you don't need the equivalent of methadone or 12 step or AA.
just get rid of the TV
throw it out.
sell it.
pawn it.
break it.
you will be amazed at how quickly you will find other things to do.
You know, one Christmas a few years ago, everyone was off doing their thing, kids in one room watching videos, othersplaying computer games in another room, etc. Then there was an ice storm and we lost all electricity. No TV, videos, DVD, stereo, computer games, nothing.
As soon as we had lite candles and lanterns and got a butane heater going, we started trying to think how to pass the time. We played some games, then my mom sat at the piano and I played my guitar. Neither of us are very good musicians, but we had fun making music together. The family all came together, telling stories and jokes and playing games like pictionary and trival pursuit and hearts and keeping each other entertained. It was great. We never ran out of things to do.
You don't need an ice storm.
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Wed, November 24, 2004 - 8:28 AMbtw, i think i forgot to send out a "thank you" to you all for sharing your stories. so, um, "thank you". :)
Andy...you reminded me of fond childhood times i had forgotten...when i was a kid, like under 10yo, it seemed like the power was always going out from storms. when that happened, my parents would break out the candles and the playing cards. and we'd all sit at the table surrounded by candles, a bowl of pretzles or such in the middle, and play card games. it made me feel like a "big girl" having the adults include me as an equal like that, and it was so special to sit in the dark and spend time with them. i don't ever remember being scared of storms, probably because of that. -
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Thu, April 14, 2005 - 6:55 PM"I'm too tired at the end of a work day or after unpacking to concentrate on a book, so a movie is a nice break."
Audiobooks are nice too, and are less tiring than visually focusing on printed text of a book. You can even close your eyes at home while listening. Meditation and ambience recordings with natural outdoor sounds also work.
Beats watching a fully narrated car chase on the tube IMHO ....
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Sat, November 27, 2004 - 8:09 PMfor what it's worth, i watched a lot of TV before i got into computers at age 13. i think the motivation had something to do with pr0n. once the habit is broken it's not hard to stay away from television. -
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Sat, November 27, 2004 - 9:47 PMAvid...LOL....are you saying that what broke your tv habit was computer porn? -
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Sun, November 28, 2004 - 12:45 PMI LOVE pr0ns! marinated in creamy sauce and then thrown on top of the Barbie!!
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Sun, November 28, 2004 - 11:06 PMI moved into a new apartment and the landlady handed me information to help me get my utilities turned on: natural gas, electricity, water, and cable (I’m in the Burbank hills and there is no TV reception here).
It bothered me that TV was considered as important as gas, electricity, water, however I persevered. When I called to see how much it would cost, the cable bill (with all of the premium channels I wanted) would cost more than my natural gas, electricity, and water COMBINED! This just didn’t seem right to me and I refused to participate.
I decided that I would stop watching TV, so I never hooked up cable (or satellite). For the first three weeks I went through withdrawal. When I got home from work, I would automatically try to turn on the TV. This was embarrassing to me! I weaned myself off by watching rented DVDs for a few weeks.
It’s been over three years now. Those $70 a month I’ve been saving on cable has now has grown to over $2,500 in the bank. I now call friends on the phone, write letters, browse the web, read books, meditate, and contribute time to charities.
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Mon, November 29, 2004 - 2:07 AMAnd also a lot of other folks too it would appear.
Yeah, I must confess that I now have gotten back into the habit of TV. Its sad. However, because I only get antenna channels I have noticed that the reason cable is so popular is because regular TV--and I include KQED here in SF Bay Area in this as well--has gotten so bad that literally there really isn't much worth watching on TV...and thus, my TV-lossy life continues unabated. Yay! -
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Mon, November 29, 2004 - 9:41 AMI actually just lost interest.
I had the shows I loved and enjoyed sitting down for an hour here or there to watch them...
but then- I just realized that as i was watching it- I was hoping it would end so I could call a friend or read a book or check something online.
I still have one show i still love, and tape it and watch it, but I defenitely would survive if I didn't have it. -
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Tue, February 1, 2005 - 1:46 PMI lived with a friend in Colorado a couple years back. He had gotten all into guns, and had bought a bunch of them. Then one day he just decided the TV was done for. We took it out in the back yard (which backed to national forest), ran a long extension cord out to it, turned it on, and then shot it.
The next day my buddy went and sold all the guns he had bought, and bought a guitar. Life has only gotten better since.... :)
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Fri, February 4, 2005 - 5:58 AMI just found out my one show got cancelled- so it's not going to be on next fall :)
I guess I can now cancel my Cable subscription.
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Mon, February 7, 2005 - 5:23 PMI started learning to play the guitar while watching the TV. After a while when my playing got better the TV began to get distracting so I stopped watching it altogether. I haven't watched a TV program in over 5 years! I do watch the ceiling a lot though, LOL! I also killed my alarm clock!! That takes practice but it is totally worth it!!!
I hate prons!! I don't eat seefood!!
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 3:04 PMWhen I was a kid, you couldn't get me away from the tv.
When I was a teen, watching tv meant hanging out with my parents, so I stayed in my room, listened to music, talked on the phone, played guitar, drew, and whatever else instead... At that time I learned to be okay without tv.
Flash forward... tv has come in and out since then... a few years ago I broke off a relationship and moved out by myself... tv came in handy dealing with being on my own again -- sometimes I just needed to zone out and have background noise -- but I made do with only the stations I could get on my tube without any cable... mostly Simpsons and That 70's Show, but it's amazing how much crap you can still watch with just 5 or 6 channels... if you're determined enough to tune out, nothing can stop you... Still, for the most part, I was off the tube...
THEN my brother-in-law got deployed to Iraq and I moved in with my sister to keep her company for the year he'd be gone... They have a HUGE screen tv, and it was on nearly 24-7 -- literally. I'd come home in the middle of the night, and she'd be asleep on the couch with the tv still on, with the sound down... come out in the morning and she'd be up and watching it, and it'd be on all day...wash, rinse, repeat. I was gone a lot, but still -- hard to avoid a screen that size everytime you enter a small apartment... and they've got the whole set-up. DirectTV, Tivo... the whole shebang. I got sucked in when I was around...
In March my brother came home (YAY!!! THANK YOU SPIRIT!!!) and I moved out again in May... decided that was it. (The whole year with that tv felt kind of like that thing where the parent makes the kid smoke a whole pack of cigarettes to make them not smoke anymore... and it worked!)
Now I only use my set for DVD's and tapes, and only on occasion. I've transferred a bit of the formerly wasted time to tribe (okay, maybe more than a bit), I write, paint, play guitar, hang out with friends, meditate, play, go for walks, LIVE!
Friends tease me a bit when they're talking about their shows -- like I'm so "out of it", but I can see it behind their eyes -- they really wish they could do it too, but they just can't yet... sad.
And I agree! I DON'T MISS IT AT ALL!!!
Some tidbits that helped me get conscious about the reality of tv:
-- someone noted once that sugar and television are the two biggest drugs in the country; television offers a mind-altering, condensed life experience... have you ever WATCHED a group of people watching tv? SCARY!
-- tv allows us to have experiences we might not (for many people, *probably* would not ) otherwise be having... I get to come home to a group of people that I LIKE hanging out with, watching them DO things that I'd like to be doing, or having experiences I'd like to be having... instead of being out doing them and experiencing them myself... I believe I deserve (and would rather) be out doing it!
-- ew! someone pointed this out to me -- what effect do you think the pattern of viewing has on us as viewers? pick a chunk of time and look at what's in it... news about tragedy and death backed up against commercials about mustangs and brownies, cut to sit-com sliced up with commercials about movies about the end of the world, backed up against more smiling faces eating at Chili's, cut back to more news about death and devastation... you flip flop that much in an hour or two (let alone longer spans) and you're bound to get your boundaries between tragedy and comedy, desire and repulsion, all mushed up and confused...
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Wed, August 17, 2005 - 6:19 PMI got tired of politics, pop culture, commercials, freak media, realty TV and tired of not being able to enjoy a decent dinner meal without the TV on.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 10:55 AMWhat you say is soooo true. My boyfriend watches tv at every waking moment. Wakes up with it and goes to sleep with it. When I first came along, he even set the tv as an alarm for the morning. I myself can do without---I would rather play on the computer, draw, do crafts, bake, etc. On the computer I can pick and choose what news I want to read, oh and does anyone read anymore. I do, and with it I travel all around the world to do exciting things. Anyway, the saddest thing about tv is the children of our country are being babysat, brainwashed and lacking alot of life skills, all because of the tv. My daughter doesn't even own a tv!!!! Thanks for sharing your story.
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Tue, September 13, 2005 - 7:11 AMSex. Drugs. Rock & Roll. Books. Howl at the moon.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 6:53 AMWe cancelled cable in 1997. There were plenty of reasons to do it. It has been so long now that when I see something on a television it seems really crazy. The tempo, the noise, the editing, the content...seems insane (and not in that creatively entertaining way).
Sure, I love music and cartoons/animation...(speaking of insanity)
...but there are so many commercials, redundant news stories, rediculous sitcoms, product placement, insidious, manipulative, bits of garbage floating around it is just not worth watching.
The positive side of turning it off has been reading, studying music, spending time taking photographs, travel, and spending time with the people I like best.
If you argue the merits of television, maybe it is time you asked why you are defending it in the first place.
Sometime before we cancelled cable Nickelodeon ran a PSA about "Actual Reality". (paraphrasing here) "Feel the basketball in your hands...because it's real! Actual reality!" -
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 2:52 AMIf you either need a fix, or need to be reminded why you went away, try reading a TV script at imsdb.com south park ones are very illuminating
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