Hey All,
So, I have the TV on a lot of the time as backgound noise when I am working..how do people feel about that? I mean a little Star Trek instead of music in the ground isnt going to hurt anyone, right? Am I right or in denial?
So, I have the TV on a lot of the time as backgound noise when I am working..how do people feel about that? I mean a little Star Trek instead of music in the ground isnt going to hurt anyone, right? Am I right or in denial?
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:46 PMIn some ways I think this is worse. My sister sleeps with the TV on all night (for background noise) all of the time and it creeps me out to think of what may be getting in under the radar.
You can get subliminal tapes to play when you're sleeping for the same reason -- you're not engaged on a conscious level, so the information goes in on a deeper level that you won't be necessarily conscious of when you wake up.
My $.02.
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Wed, July 5, 2006 - 4:42 AMHey, the wife does it. I swear she can't function without it being on. Which is really funny, because she's not even paying attention to it. She'll be reading, even. I thought she was listening to it, kinda multitasking, but if I ask her what show is on or what was just said, she can't tell me.
That kind of creeps me out. :-)
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Fri, July 7, 2006 - 3:54 AMTV as background noise??
Not for me. I especially don’t like the TV on at my parents house when its dinner time. For one thing, food tastes better when the TV is off. And another thing is that I’d rather have a nice conversation with my dinner mates than to have a very distracting TV in the background.
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Sat, July 15, 2006 - 3:01 PMTrig, let me ask you a really sincere and somewhat intimate question, with no expectation that you are going to answer it in a post. I ask it more to trigger a response within you for your own use.
Why do you feel that you need any background noise at all? I know that many people have background noise going all the time, but I don't want you to think about ideas about what is common or "normal." I ask you to simply look at your own motivation for wanting either TV or music on when you are not directly engaging it.
If you are able and willing to engage that question as something fresh, as a point of discovery, rather than responding with pre-arranged answers, then I think you may discover that there is something you are trying to escape. Probably you are experiencing some sort of inner suffering and you don't want to feel that so you seek distraction.
I would then urge you to go deeper with the question and discover what the nature of that pain is. Why are you suffering? What is it that you don't want to feel? Could you face what is there if you chose to? What do you think would happen to you if you faced it without any distractions? Can you see any benefit to doing so? Do you choose to face it? If so, when?
If you are in this tribe I am guessing you already have some reason why you want to reduce the influence of TV in your life. There is some harm you see to its presence or benefit you see to its absence. For me one of the primary benefits to its absence is that it allows me to fully experience more of my life, including the painful parts I used to habitually push down into my subconscious, where they got to fester and flourish, affecting many areas of my life in a negative way. For the same reason I rarely play music unless I'm dancing to it, so where you speak of Star Trek being tantamount to music playing in the background, I would say skip both. The added harm with TV programming is that what's on is usually toxic in its content as well, whereas you could choose soothing music that doesn't have any lyrics.
Still to me when I have precious free time in which I can do whatever I want, there is no reason why I have to listen to anyone talking, talk back, or have any particular ideas running through my head so that I can fulfill life responsibilities... well when I have that time I want to use it to release all the crap that is flowing through my head all the time, clear out the unconscious junk especially. I want to deprogram from my years of toxic mental conditioning from a fucked up society, especially "as seen on TV."
Can you make a friend out of the silence, dear Trig? -
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Sat, July 15, 2006 - 11:17 PMOooh, excellent question, Indi - this is a lesson I am actively trying to learn right now. I don't have a TV, so I don't use it as a "filler" or "distraction" , but there are plenty of other things I DO use that way, mostly having to do with keeping myself very busy. Thanks for the thought-provoking post. -
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Wed, July 19, 2006 - 6:42 PMLeave the radio on instead. . .less energy use and less brain rot! -
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Re: TV OK as background noise only?
Fri, September 14, 2007 - 7:40 PMThe other night I switched on the shortwave about an hour before the band would open, to a frequency I knew would be populated as soon as the band was up. It was fun hearing the first tentative calls; usually I'd tune around the band(s) looking for 'action' -- this time was more like casting a fishing line prior to the good fishing hour, going about other things, and noting when the line got active.
I don't actually fish so not sure that analogy is quite right.
By the way one of the regulars on that frequency (it's a ham band) had, apparently, fallen asleep with a push-to-talk bar locked down, for quite a while. I wasn't listening at the time but they were all giving it to him about that, later on, when I was listening. One said 'yeah -- you ought to have a mercury switch rigged so when you nod off it shuts off your transmitter'. It was pretty funny. I don't remember him not taking the chiding with a bit of humor of his own, but I don't remember what he did say either.
The AM (MW) broadcast band hasn't interested me much, so I've slowly tried to incorporate some AM shortwave frequencies into my repertoire -- I don't have the time or inclination to do a big frequency hunt, though. That's one nice thing about listening to the ham bands (esp. AM subbands) -- they'll tell each-other (and therefore, you) what's open and what isn't.
For a couple of years I used to keep the television set behind the CRT display for the computer, perhaps 6-8 feet behind it on another table, aimed at the operator's position, and listen absently to favorite television programs. If I needed my eyes too much to follow the show, I'd tend to either watch intently or switch it off entirely -- I don't remember which. Was several years ago (been without active TV habits for some five years now). I've never been much for keeping a radio on when not actively listening, except for ritual 'shows' that had predictable schedules -- those could be on as long as two hours without really giving it my attention. In those cases, often as not I kept them on because I was hoping they'd get interesting enough to stop what I was doing with my eyes (web surfing etc.)
A backup policy, as it were (the web can get dull as well).
Other times, I was so caught up with what I was doing (probably coding, and might be something I can't script but isn't very taxing, like adding paragraph tags to un-HTML-ized text that I'm shaping into HTML, for example) .. that I didn't have enough spare attention to shut off the noise source (the AM or SW radio) since that might break the spell that kept the HTML or coding project hyper-productive (a muse blesses the event).
So it's a mixed bag.
I do use a 913 MHz wireless speaker's transmitter pretty often to monitor interesting audio sources (often AM or SW radio), and if it's getting very interesting I'll clip my scanning radio to my belt, put on headphones, and go about housework or what-have-you, and catch all the action that way. This is very effective when I want to listen to what's going on, but I don't have the time to just sit there with my hands folded to get this time into my schedule.
Generally if my eyes aren't tired they're on the LCD of the computer, if I'm doing any media at all (reading, writing, diagramming etc.). When my eyes tell me 'that's enough' (or when I finally heed them saying so for quite a while) I'll switch over to audio-only such as the shortwave. But most of the time that's short-lived; a brief experiment that says 'what you really wanted was sleep' and I do that instead.
I find it very difficult to simply listen to an audio program; that's the commercial intrusion part kicking in. I would need deliberate media -- media free from sideshows -- to give it my full (or nearly full) attention. Text-to-speech, books-on-tape, that sort of thing. I don't have time or inclination to edit /out/ what someone else put /in/ (commercial interruption, as they used to call it).
I dropped television entirely because I'd timed it with a stopwatch and was more than a little annoyed at the percentage of per-hour use that was not the scheduled program. That's essentially why I curtailed my use of commercial broadcast frequencies on radio reception. Really there isn't much else left except the ham bands and certain functional frequencies such as transoceanic air traffic control and weather and such. If I want something stimulating and engaging and 'real' I'll track weather systems using a variety of www-reachable media types (text reports and still graphic frames, mostly). That can keep me busy for hours.
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Re: TV OK as background re-education
Thu, September 27, 2007 - 11:42 AMThe Ministry of Polite Thought has conducted studies that indicate a significant portion of the Beta Stage Programming messages are successfully integrated into a subject's psychological profile while the subject is 'listening in the background.' [cf. - "a76% retention rate for actively attentive viewers versus a remarkable 73% rr for passive viewer/listeners" - Simpson, H.; Couch Institute of Boise, 2005] What's even more remarkable is that subliminal messages delivered both via Gamma and Delta staged programming are as much as "81% MORE EFFECTIVELY RETAINED" [-ibid.] when subjects are passively viewing or listening to television monitors [includes both Cathode Ray Tube systems as well as Plasma Display systems; i.e. - no significant data has yet been gathered specifically studying the PMRR (Programmed Message Retention Rates) between these two media display systems.]
So keep up the good work, Trig, and we look forward to sending you many more fantastic memories of non-events.
Nanu-nanu,
Dr. Fritz
Ministry of Polite Thought
Planetary Broadcast Centre
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Atlanta, GA, Earth, Star System 2B7-486